CSG Calculator-Systems-Gamers

[RombinatoR]

@Milo

Finally a post that respects my Topic, ideas and constructive without defending his parish of … !

Are you really saying this while you are the one insulting people (because yes, accusing honest people of cheating is an insult), arguing about a problem that is actually a myth ?

And, again, these statements are not born with you: it’s been a decade that we’ve been annoyed, accused, insulted in public by an increasing amount of players posting the same kind of statements, who have as only argument their belief that they’re “not as good because others have calculators”, while they are totally clueless about what calculators actually do ?
One can make a spreadsheet in an hour or even less, that does those simple maths that a human brain does potentially in a few seconds while playing, because they do not go beyond a few simple operations. It is no rocket science.

The best proof of that is that you can even test it, will you end up “having a chance for top 10s, top 30s in WRT” like in your original post ?
Quick answer is no you won’t, if you weren’t already contending before.

What were you actually expecting with this thread ?

If it was gathering information, you got everything from my first answer in theory and I offered you to explain further in my previous message. You did not answer to my offer. Probably you don’t want to be proved wrong. Or you didn’t read.

If it was just a naive dream that there exists a world (with whatever timers, modes, courses, from Alfheim to Bear Lake) where the ones you see all the time dominating with the best scores no longer do: I’m sorry but there isn’t, and I kindly explained to you why already.
No, there isn’t any world where the likes of narr, Federinho, Basti, sebas, jojodengel, xype, Zebdman and many more, will not post scores that are better than what 95% of players will ever reach as personal best, because that’s how good they are. If this is your concern, then there is no solution.

Just because I’m telling you the truth and do not abide by your illusions, did you really tell me “I do not respect your topic” ? My answers could not be more directly to the point and the heart of the topic, and in fact, you won’t admit it but it’s what’s driving you two mad at the moment.

Don’t worry, I’m used to it. Probably that most of the previous 50 people I spoke to about the same thing reacted the same way you did. I do not blame you, I totally expected this from you guys; though I gave you the time to gladly surprise me.
Again, it is perfectly logical. Human beings struggle to admit that other people may just be better than themselves. They find excuses or fire accusations instead. And they dodge when we speak about the technical part.

Have a nice week !

[RombinatoR]

@hermanovich

Do you think it’s ok that there are players with HC’s of +28 in fensalir, for example, who are honour pro, and yet they don’t know the course? That they don’t know how to interpret the drop of the green’s when they are going to kick, that they don’t know that the tee’s also influence the shot.
That’s what really worries me.

It’s off topic in this thread to develop further, but yes, that’s the consequence of a lot of pre-requirements, and all tests being deleted over the years, to make leveling from 0 to H1 totally hurdleless for new players.
I joked about it on stream one day. You can technically reach H10 without playing more than 7 or 8 different courses in total (and probably even less now).

[jyd13]

Rombinator,

Do you want to ask SO please to have a WRT for one week in 30 seconds ?

YES or NO ?

You do not answer .

[Owden]

Most of us appreciate the videos etc and realize there are just levels to the game. As if a casual could go play pro apex legends / any other game lol. Top players are top for a reason

[PickUpGG]

Hey fellow gamers,

This got to a very entertaining level

I wanted to take a moment to highlight something that often gets overlooked in our discussions about gaming: the thrill of challenges. It’s fascinating how many of us are drawn to games because of these very challenges, whether it’s navigating through extreme weather conditions, battling against strong winds, or simply mastering intricate game mechanics.

For me, personally, there’s a unique joy in understanding the game inside out and witnessing my progress year after year. It’s not just about winning; it’s about the journey of improvement and the satisfaction that comes with it. As RombinatoR aptly put it, it’s not exactly rocket science to calculate the variables in the game, but it undeniably requires a significant amount of practice and dedication. I’ve been through the wringer myself, and I can attest to the fact that mastering these challenges isn’t a walk in the park.

Let’s face it, the game has been around for several years now, and it’s only natural that certain talents emerge from its player base. This phenomenon isn’t unique to our game; it happens in every competitive sphere. So, instead of pointing fingers elsewhere, let’s take a moment to reflect on our own gameplay. Are we truly embracing the game with all its mechanics and nuances, or are we simply scratching the surface? It’s time to either dive deep into the intricacies of the game or gracefully bow out, but let’s do so without making baseless claims.

[Milo]

I, we, are not talking about calculators thank goodness, but systems that calculate EVERYTHING for you, the distance, the wind and its direction, up or down, the temperature, clouds, rain, etc. etc. …!!!

[PickUpGG]

Bro, I can calculate everything what you said in my head, so basically im using a headwired calculator, or what you refer as to a “SYSTEM” xD

[xype]

isn’t a “System” that calculates stuff for you not a Calculator?
These threads are nothing new, but it’s always the same people claim something without any Proof
You link the Calculator made by DvS, which is basicly an excel sheet in a “nicer” formfactor, nobody needs to have a huge brain to do this
If there is some System that automates the game please enlighten us, i’d use it for these boring quests lmao

[Milo]

It’s weird to see all these new players with -35/-45 magic cards arriving overnight, isn’t it?
Tell me why?
Every day they go from -20 to -35 or more and they don’t make a single mistake over 18 holes, 54, or even the whole year!
Real Steve Austin 2.0 lol

Seriously, though, stop taking non-SGC players for fools! How can you play without a putter? Tell me, you’re the one who says you know the game!
How is it that on the Open Tour we don’t see all these new players (from day to day) with cards of -30/-40, ranked 1st on scores like yesterday of -12? Once again, it takes 35/45 seconds for them to play!

I’ll say it again, 35/45 seconds to play, no putter on the tee to see the green, false winds, 0.2Y Y/1.5Y from the hole on every shot, and a CSG ChatG… who once said that if he performs well it’s because he knows how to play the CTPR 15, and the Cadeiger 10, and that sebas… and cral… they’re proffessionals ahahah!

Do you realise that this must represent around 90% of non-SGC players who are gradually leaving the game because they’re disgusted or no longer take part in SOL or Match League tournaments?

Clearly, RombinatoR, I’m calling on all the SOMs to push for WRT to be played in 30 seconds every other time. Then everyone will have a clear head.

[Milo]

@xype

isn’t a “System” that calculates stuff for you not a Calculator?
These threads are nothing new, but it’s always the same people claim something without any Proof
You link the Calculator made by DvS, which is basicly an excel sheet in a “nicer” formfactor, nobody needs to have a huge brain to do this
If there is some System that automates the game please enlighten us, i’d use it for these boring quests lmao

If it’s not so complicated, you must have played -35 on every 18 holes! Without a single mistake! Or not…? lol
I’m not talking about calculators if you didn’t understand my Topic CSG and my post …pfff

[xype]

i don’t play -35 every 18 Holes, nobody does, except maybe on Sosori or Volcano, if i don’t understand your topic, please tell me what a CSG is, how does it look like and who does use it, i don’t think there are people that play -35 or better every round.
If you look at the Homepage where the Top scores are shown that have been played on the Server you should realize that on most “hard courses”, it’s the same people up top and a lot of those rounds are pretty old because good Players can pull them off yes, but it’s not like they can average out at that “peak potential”
individual Players that have played Rounds with -35 or better:
Rufus Arena: 1
Abel Plena: 0
Cadeiger: 6
Gleiger: 0
PGI: 3
CT Park Royal: 0
Hidden Forest: 0
Sunset Bay: 0
and if you check the people from course to course, it’s basicly the same ones

Why did i only mention hard courses, medium Courses, or easy Courses aren’t that hard do -36, a lof ot those have already been done in history pre Yard indicator on the aiming Circle, Calculations existed in that era too

In the end you should be the one to proof the stuff you claim, and not just evade by saying “you didn’t understand my Topic…”

If that CSG is so well spread, how does it look, where do people get it from?

[Milo]

Your answer can be found a little higher up on a link

[jja1975]

Thx for thinking about me again: “CSG ChatG… who once said that if he performs well it’s because he knows how to play the CTPR 15, and the Cadeiger 10, and that sebas… and cral… they’re proffessionals ahahah!”

I still dont use any calculator, CSG, charts on paper or on 2nd computer. Now i count the accusations to 4x.

Main thing in this game is putting and reading wind - that usually separates average Joe´s from the best players. Next factor is to find the right shot by experiment on certain holes i.e Cad hole 1,3 & 10, glei 1 & 7, CTPR 10 & 15, Hidden 2 right pin, St bay 8, Abel 13,14 & 15, comes to mind.

PMd you yesterday Milo: Set any course 30 sec clock - lets play… no answer unfortunately from you.

[Milo]

I have a non-CSG that was -13 yesterday

[jja1975]

Asked you again.

[michaSx]

The same thing over and over again.
Someone who is not getting anywhere with their game is annoyed that there are simply many people who understand the game better than you do. It is simply not enough to just calculate the length and the clicks. It also depends on the point of impact of the ball, bounce, etc. And you have to read that yourself. No calculator can help with putting. You simply have to be able to read the breaks. And as with everything, it’s simply a matter of practice. So just accept that you’re not that good, practice more, learn the game or find another game. I use a pocket calculator myself because I’m not so good at mental arithmetic. And someone who takes the time to hit a good shot also looks at the green beforehand and thinks about where the ball should land.

Take a look at a few videos of the top players on YouTube or Twitch.
Maybe you can learn something there.

P.S. Sorry for my English, it’s the translator’s fault.

[jja1975]

Milo - you are class 202 with 26k eagles on record - maybe you haven´t played enough? Some learn quick - some never do. I know what category i would put you in.

[Milo]

@michaSx

The same thing over and over again.
Someone who is not getting anywhere with their game is annoyed that there are simply many people who understand the game better than you do. It is simply not enough to just calculate the length and the clicks. It also depends on the point of impact of the ball, bounce, etc. And you have to read that yourself. No calculator can help with putting. You simply have to be able to read the breaks. And as with everything, it’s simply a matter of practice. So just accept that you’re not that good, practice more, learn the game or find another game. I use a calculator myself because I’m not so good at mental arithmetic. And someone who takes the time to hit a good shot also looks at the green beforehand and thinks about where the ball should land.

Take a look at a few videos of the top players on YouTube or Twitch.
Maybe you can learn something there.

P.S. Sorry for my English, it’s the translator’s fault.

What about the CSGs who never take the putter, you who point out that you have to take the putter?
My Topic isn’t about my level, or my personal interests, that’s not the point. I’m proposing to create an index like in golf, for example.
If I count all the private messages, that’s a lot of people denouncing CSGs, roughly 90% of players who don’t use systems that kill the game, and that’s what this Topic is all about.

[michaSx]

Suggestion: Use this calculator and see if you can keep up with the top players.
I’m sure you won’t be able to. But according to your statements, you should be able to keep up.

[PickUpGG]

Did you know, that you can look at the green with an 9i iron aswell?